Pryor "The Hawk" ; contre le Fabulous Four ! ! !

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overcut a écrit : 03 mai 2019, 19:45
Briscoe a écrit : 03 mai 2019, 19:34
overcut a écrit : 03 mai 2019, 18:57 Un article sur les meilleurs adversaires de Pryor.

Arguello etait son nemesis.

https://www.ringtv.com/467714-best-faced-aaron-pryor/

Il fait aussi une belle dédicace a Antonio Cervantes.
J'ai évoqué Cervantes dans mon 1er post, malheureusement peu de monde semble connaitre ce fabuleux champion, tout comme Barney Ross d'ailleurs :|
Et oui.
Je vais essayer de trouver des combats de lui.
C est genial ces commentaires de boxeurs.

Je dois vérifier aussi junior jones qui etait le poison de Canizales
Et Ken buchanan mentionne par Duran.
Buchanan c'est pas mal mais je préfère Jim Watt et je te conseille Pat Cowdell si tu aimes la castagne. Si tu connais bien les anglais des 80, cela me plairait bien de pouvoir en parler avec un connaisseur de cette époque particulière de la boxe chez nos voisins.
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Briscoe a écrit : 03 mai 2019, 19:58
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J'ai évoqué Cervantes dans mon 1er post, malheureusement peu de monde semble connaitre ce fabuleux champion, tout comme Barney Ross d'ailleurs :|
Et oui.
Je vais essayer de trouver des combats de lui.
C est genial ces commentaires de boxeurs.

Je dois vérifier aussi junior jones qui etait le poison de Canizales
Et Ken buchanan mentionne par Duran.
Buchanan c'est pas mal mais je préfère Jim Watt et je te conseille Pat Cowdell si tu aimes la castagne. Si tu connais bien les anglais des 80, cela me plairait bien de pouvoir en parler avec un connaisseur de cette époque particulière de la boxe chez nos voisins.
arf j'ai tellement à voir en fait que je me suis fait une stratégie : je pars des entraineurs plutot que des nationalités

déjà je dois me taper l'anthologie des boxeurs qu'a formé George Benton et Futch et ceux managés par Duva . c'est incroyable ses entraineurs ont formé des perles c'est d'eux que viennent la sweet science.

ensuite coté british Herol Graham. Quelle aisance sur le ring quand meme. çà m'épate des anglais.
en fait j'aime tellement McCallum , que je m'etais interessé à Watson et donc au trio Nigel Ben , Eubank -Collins ,par la suite . les autres je connais pas trop ....
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les luttes :
contre les préjugés des 2 combats gagnés par GGG.
contre la prétendue faiblesse de son opposition
approuve la rédemption d Adelaide Byrd
Briscoe

:D

Ah la boxe en Grande Bretagne !! C'est mon truc, une mine de pépites. Je pourrais t'indiquer des boxeurs majeurs qui ont fait l'histoire là bas.
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Stephen Edwards à propos de Pryor-Leonard :
The notion that Sugar Ray Leonard ducked Aaron Pryor is laughable. Pryor never moved to welterweight and he turned down an offer to fight Leonard in 1981 right after Leonard won his title back from Roberto Duran. So Leonard moved up to 154 won a title there vs an undefeated champion then fought Tommy Heanrs in a super fight at 147. Fought once more and retired for 3 years.

Meanwhile Pryor had just won a title in 1980 and was trying to build a legacy. He didn’t fight his super fight until Leonard was retired in late 1982 vs Alexis Arguello. Leonard’s old trainer Dave Jacobs jumped ship and started training Pryor. After Pryor beat Lennox Blackmore there is a video on youtube of the post fight press conference. Pryor is asked about Leonard and he said the offer was not enough. Which is a fair statement but let’s remember his biggest payday didn’t come until he fought Arguello 18 months later and it was only 1.4 million. Dave Jacobs can be heard telling Pryor let’s wait on the smaller guys. We don’t need Leonard. I’m not saying Pryor was scared, he was a real killer. But history can’t be rewritten. It’s exactly what he did. He waited on Arguello to move up from 135. Pryor never fought Duran, Benitez or Hearns but yet Leonard gets this stick for ducking a career junior welterweight. Pryor was seen in the ring when Benitez and Hearns fought at 154. Demanding a fight. But he never moved to the weight.

Pryor was a great fighter. All time great. But history has been slanted when it came to him. He was denied a title shot at 135 so he moved up to 140. But he wasn’t ducked by welterweights. He never moved up to fight them. It’s like some smart historian says that Spence or Crawford was ducking Regis Prograis from 2018-2020 but Prograis never moved up.

As for the fight itself I think it would have been a barn burner. But Pryor doesn’t have the physical strength, or defense that Duran did. Pryor had good head movement but his body and head were open to titanic shots. He was mean and indefatigable but so was Leonard. Leonard was a big puncher at 147 once he reached his peak. He scored stoppages in 6 of 7 championship fights. He would have knocked Pryor smooth out and Dave Jacobs knew it. A trainer who used to train a great fighter loves to get, get-back after he leaves that fighter. There is a reason he can be heard telling Pryor to leave the Sugar Man alone.
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cleming a écrit : 26 oct. 2019, 14:54 Stephen Edwards à propos de Pryor-Leonard :
The notion that Sugar Ray Leonard ducked Aaron Pryor is laughable. Pryor never moved to welterweight and he turned down an offer to fight Leonard in 1981 right after Leonard won his title back from Roberto Duran. So Leonard moved up to 154 won a title there vs an undefeated champion then fought Tommy Heanrs in a super fight at 147. Fought once more and retired for 3 years.

Meanwhile Pryor had just won a title in 1980 and was trying to build a legacy. He didn’t fight his super fight until Leonard was retired in late 1982 vs Alexis Arguello. Leonard’s old trainer Dave Jacobs jumped ship and started training Pryor. After Pryor beat Lennox Blackmore there is a video on youtube of the post fight press conference. Pryor is asked about Leonard and he said the offer was not enough. Which is a fair statement but let’s remember his biggest payday didn’t come until he fought Arguello 18 months later and it was only 1.4 million. Dave Jacobs can be heard telling Pryor let’s wait on the smaller guys. We don’t need Leonard. I’m not saying Pryor was scared, he was a real killer. But history can’t be rewritten. It’s exactly what he did. He waited on Arguello to move up from 135. Pryor never fought Duran, Benitez or Hearns but yet Leonard gets this stick for ducking a career junior welterweight. Pryor was seen in the ring when Benitez and Hearns fought at 154. Demanding a fight. But he never moved to the weight.

Pryor was a great fighter. All time great. But history has been slanted when it came to him. He was denied a title shot at 135 so he moved up to 140. But he wasn’t ducked by welterweights. He never moved up to fight them. It’s like some smart historian says that Spence or Crawford was ducking Regis Prograis from 2018-2020 but Prograis never moved up.

As for the fight itself I think it would have been a barn burner. But Pryor doesn’t have the physical strength, or defense that Duran did. Pryor had good head movement but his body and head were open to titanic shots. He was mean and indefatigable but so was Leonard. Leonard was a big puncher at 147 once he reached his peak. He scored stoppages in 6 of 7 championship fights. He would have knocked Pryor smooth out and Dave Jacobs knew it. A trainer who used to train a great fighter loves to get, get-back after he leaves that fighter. There is a reason he can be heard telling Pryor to leave the Sugar Man alone.
je venais aussi de le lire :D
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cleming a écrit : 28 avr. 2019, 15:45 Wilfred Benitez est souvent considéré à juste titre comme le cinquième géant. D'ailleurs un combat contre lui avec Pryor en super-légers, ça aurait été phénoménal.
Je lui donne une petite chance contre Duran en super-léger, pour le reste je ne le vois vraiment pas s'imposer, surtout en super-welters et moyens, ne serait-ce qu'à cause du poids mais aussi parce que je le trouve quand même un bon cran en dessous :oops:
j'aurais dit la mm chose

ma liste:

Taylor
Crawford
Danny Garcia
Hatton
Tzui
Julio Cesar Chavez
Pryor n°3
Benitez n°1
Cervantes
Locche
Ross n°2
Jackie (Kid) Berg
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